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		By: J		</title>
		<link>https://hotholyhumorous.com/2012/09/03/who-should-see-you-naked-more-on-nudity-vs-modesty/#comment-22331</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2014 23:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://hotholyhumorous.com/2012/09/03/who-should-see-you-naked-more-on-nudity-vs-modesty/#comment-22260&quot;&gt;Tamie&lt;/a&gt;.

I just think you have to be careful about saying that everyone is so desensitized in naturalist settings. Should we be that desensitized? Yes, you should accept and appreciate your body, but that doesn&#039;t require letting go of modesty to do so. Thanks for your comment!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://hotholyhumorous.com/2012/09/03/who-should-see-you-naked-more-on-nudity-vs-modesty/#comment-22260">Tamie</a>.</p>
<p>I just think you have to be careful about saying that everyone is so desensitized in naturalist settings. Should we be that desensitized? Yes, you should accept and appreciate your body, but that doesn&#8217;t require letting go of modesty to do so. Thanks for your comment!</p>
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		By: Tamie		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[My opinion is that simply reading what husbands and wives can or can not do can be erotic to some.  It depends on where your mind goes.  I don&#039;t believe that it is right to go and unclothe yourself in a sexually inviting way before others but I do believe that in certain groups of naturists that it simply isn&#039;t sexual.  They are so desensitized by the whole body that it no longer is erotic unless they tell their minds to go there.   I would simply like to feel comfortable with the body that God gave me as I have struggled with body image from the time I was young.  People who participate in the naturist thing seem to be much more accepting of imperfect bodies and I really feel that would be helpful in how I view myself.  I also enjoy being nude alone because it feels more natural.  I am just really undecided at this point.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My opinion is that simply reading what husbands and wives can or can not do can be erotic to some.  It depends on where your mind goes.  I don&#8217;t believe that it is right to go and unclothe yourself in a sexually inviting way before others but I do believe that in certain groups of naturists that it simply isn&#8217;t sexual.  They are so desensitized by the whole body that it no longer is erotic unless they tell their minds to go there.   I would simply like to feel comfortable with the body that God gave me as I have struggled with body image from the time I was young.  People who participate in the naturist thing seem to be much more accepting of imperfect bodies and I really feel that would be helpful in how I view myself.  I also enjoy being nude alone because it feels more natural.  I am just really undecided at this point.</p>
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		By: van Rooinek		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 22:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is NO culture ANYWHERE, where the naked, unadorned body is considered appropriate for normal social display.  Even if it&#039;s just a minimal loincloth or body paint or beads (not necessarily covering the genitals), nevertheless, ALL human societies expect you to wear SOMETHING in public. Nudism is abnormal. This universal rejection should tell us something.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Besides, there&#039;s no such thing as an attractive nudist. LOL&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is NO culture ANYWHERE, where the naked, unadorned body is considered appropriate for normal social display.  Even if it&#8217;s just a minimal loincloth or body paint or beads (not necessarily covering the genitals), nevertheless, ALL human societies expect you to wear SOMETHING in public. Nudism is abnormal. This universal rejection should tell us something.  </p>
<p>Besides, there&#8217;s no such thing as an attractive nudist. LOL</p>
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		By: J		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 03:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://hotholyhumorous.com/2012/09/03/who-should-see-you-naked-more-on-nudity-vs-modesty/#comment-2331&quot;&gt;Phil Yeager&lt;/a&gt;.

LOL, Cherishing My Days! Guess you&#039;d better go get naked with hubby. ;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://hotholyhumorous.com/2012/09/03/who-should-see-you-naked-more-on-nudity-vs-modesty/#comment-2331">Phil Yeager</a>.</p>
<p>LOL, Cherishing My Days! Guess you&#8217;d better go get naked with hubby. 😉</p>
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		By: Cherishing My Days		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 02:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://hotholyhumorous.com/2012/09/03/who-should-see-you-naked-more-on-nudity-vs-modesty/#comment-2331&quot;&gt;Phil Yeager&lt;/a&gt;.

My husband is upset that I am using data on this discussion. Lol. So I guess I am going to have to bow out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://hotholyhumorous.com/2012/09/03/who-should-see-you-naked-more-on-nudity-vs-modesty/#comment-2331">Phil Yeager</a>.</p>
<p>My husband is upset that I am using data on this discussion. Lol. So I guess I am going to have to bow out.</p>
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		By: FatherOf4		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 22:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://hotholyhumorous.com/2012/09/03/who-should-see-you-naked-more-on-nudity-vs-modesty/#comment-2343&quot;&gt;mamarachael&lt;/a&gt;.

As discussed in an earlier post there is no Biblical indication of what Jesus was or was not wearing during his Baptism.  To venture an educated guess, we must examine extra-Biblical sources.&lt;br /&gt;The one missed, I Timothy 4, is a little harder to find.  I Tim 4:8 KJV [For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.]  Exercise (gymnasia [G1129]) would normally be done at the palaestra.  Gymnasia is from the root word gymnazō [G1128] which means - to exercise naked (in a palaestra or school of athletics)].  This is source of the prefix gymnos from which we get the word gymnasium. Thus it&#039;s literal meaning is a place for naked exercise (I do not recommend trying this at the local YMCA.)  It was usually connected with the local public bath (which Christians also used.)  Jesus had healed an invalid at one (John 5).&lt;br /&gt;One reference I didn&#039;t mention was Isaiah&#039;s instruction on fasting. Isaiah 58:7 instructs to give shelter to the homeless, food to the hungry, and clothes to the naked.  While most interpret the next phrase to mean take care of your extended family, it can also mean not to hide yourself from your genitalia.  While the idea of taking care of one&#039;s extended family is Biblical, I don&#039;t see how it necessarily fits in with the rest passage, nor does it fit in with the increasing parallelism of the verse.  Take the homeless in (no sacrifice), Feed the hungry your dinner (limited sacrifice), Give the naked your clothes, even the ones you are wearing (larger sacrifice)  This idea fits with the poetry style in Psalms and other ancient poetry.&lt;br /&gt;I know of several naturists, who became a naturist out of their Biblical conviction.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://hotholyhumorous.com/2012/09/03/who-should-see-you-naked-more-on-nudity-vs-modesty/#comment-2343">mamarachael</a>.</p>
<p>As discussed in an earlier post there is no Biblical indication of what Jesus was or was not wearing during his Baptism.  To venture an educated guess, we must examine extra-Biblical sources.<br />The one missed, I Timothy 4, is a little harder to find.  I Tim 4:8 KJV [For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.]  Exercise (gymnasia [G1129]) would normally be done at the palaestra.  Gymnasia is from the root word gymnazō [G1128] which means &#8211; to exercise naked (in a palaestra or school of athletics)].  This is source of the prefix gymnos from which we get the word gymnasium. Thus it&#8217;s literal meaning is a place for naked exercise (I do not recommend trying this at the local YMCA.)  It was usually connected with the local public bath (which Christians also used.)  Jesus had healed an invalid at one (John 5).<br />One reference I didn&#8217;t mention was Isaiah&#8217;s instruction on fasting. Isaiah 58:7 instructs to give shelter to the homeless, food to the hungry, and clothes to the naked.  While most interpret the next phrase to mean take care of your extended family, it can also mean not to hide yourself from your genitalia.  While the idea of taking care of one&#8217;s extended family is Biblical, I don&#8217;t see how it necessarily fits in with the rest passage, nor does it fit in with the increasing parallelism of the verse.  Take the homeless in (no sacrifice), Feed the hungry your dinner (limited sacrifice), Give the naked your clothes, even the ones you are wearing (larger sacrifice)  This idea fits with the poetry style in Psalms and other ancient poetry.<br />I know of several naturists, who became a naturist out of their Biblical conviction.</p>
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		By: J		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 20:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://hotholyhumorous.com/2012/09/03/who-should-see-you-naked-more-on-nudity-vs-modesty/#comment-2343&quot;&gt;mamarachael&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m going to pop in here and comment on these passages. On a couple of them, I simply couldn&#039;t find the reference you intended. However, you&#039;ve got:&lt;br /&gt;Adam &amp; Eve - Garden of Eden&lt;br /&gt;King Saul - prophesied naked&lt;br /&gt;King David - dancing in a linen ephod?&lt;br /&gt;Bathsheba - bathing to purify herself from monthly uncleanness&lt;br /&gt;Isaiah - prophesied naked and barefoot for 3 years&lt;br /&gt;Micah - says he&#039;ll go around naked&lt;br /&gt;Jesus - baptism&lt;br /&gt;Jesus - washing disciples&#039; feet&lt;br /&gt;Jesus - at crucifixion&lt;br /&gt;Jesus - leaves funeral clothing in tomb at raising&lt;br /&gt;Peter - naked while fishing&lt;br /&gt;Mark 11 - follower of Jesus is seized and escapes, leaving behind linen garment&lt;br /&gt;Philemon - slave who would have been auctioned naked&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some of these are a stretch. There is no indication that Jesus was baptized naked, and Isaiah&#039;s naked prophesy was to make a point about the people&#039;s shame and God&#039;s judgment. Obviously, Bathsheba choosing to perform her mikveh ritual cleansing on her roof did not end well, and surely we aren&#039;t planning to use the cruel crucifixion of Jesus or the practice of slave auctions as role models for public nudity.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But I agree that King Saul prophesied naked (1 Samuel 19) and Peter was said to be naked while fishing (John 21). I doubt there were women on the boat, but I won&#039;t quibble that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For those who continue to be curious, I suggest they start with the Bible itself and then research further, looking for arguments on both sides. I hold fast to my belief that the whole of Scripture and our common sense suggest that we should keep our clothes on most of the time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I do, however, appreciate all of the comments here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://hotholyhumorous.com/2012/09/03/who-should-see-you-naked-more-on-nudity-vs-modesty/#comment-2343">mamarachael</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to pop in here and comment on these passages. On a couple of them, I simply couldn&#8217;t find the reference you intended. However, you&#8217;ve got:<br />Adam &#038; Eve &#8211; Garden of Eden<br />King Saul &#8211; prophesied naked<br />King David &#8211; dancing in a linen ephod?<br />Bathsheba &#8211; bathing to purify herself from monthly uncleanness<br />Isaiah &#8211; prophesied naked and barefoot for 3 years<br />Micah &#8211; says he&#8217;ll go around naked<br />Jesus &#8211; baptism<br />Jesus &#8211; washing disciples&#8217; feet<br />Jesus &#8211; at crucifixion<br />Jesus &#8211; leaves funeral clothing in tomb at raising<br />Peter &#8211; naked while fishing<br />Mark 11 &#8211; follower of Jesus is seized and escapes, leaving behind linen garment<br />Philemon &#8211; slave who would have been auctioned naked</p>
<p>Some of these are a stretch. There is no indication that Jesus was baptized naked, and Isaiah&#8217;s naked prophesy was to make a point about the people&#8217;s shame and God&#8217;s judgment. Obviously, Bathsheba choosing to perform her mikveh ritual cleansing on her roof did not end well, and surely we aren&#8217;t planning to use the cruel crucifixion of Jesus or the practice of slave auctions as role models for public nudity.</p>
<p>But I agree that King Saul prophesied naked (1 Samuel 19) and Peter was said to be naked while fishing (John 21). I doubt there were women on the boat, but I won&#8217;t quibble that.</p>
<p>For those who continue to be curious, I suggest they start with the Bible itself and then research further, looking for arguments on both sides. I hold fast to my belief that the whole of Scripture and our common sense suggest that we should keep our clothes on most of the time.</p>
<p>I do, however, appreciate all of the comments here.</p>
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		By: FatherOf4		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 01:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://hotholyhumorous.com/2012/09/03/who-should-see-you-naked-more-on-nudity-vs-modesty/#comment-2331&quot;&gt;Phil Yeager&lt;/a&gt;.

There is also no indication in the Bible that anyone was baptized clothed.  The Bible admittedly is silent on what the appropriate apparel of baptism administration.  So this is why we go to extra Biblical sources, to find out a little more of what happened.  There is a great discussion in the church on the proper mode of baptism (sprinkling, pouring, or immersion.)  The text of the Bible doesn&#039;t tell us this either.  Many in the early church thought it was very important though.  There is also a discussion on credo-baptism (believer&#039;s baptism) versus pedo-baptism (infant baptism).  As the Bible doesn&#039;t explicitly tell us this one either.  Both of these are worth a study, but irrelevant for this discussion other than an another example of baptismal practices in which the canonized Bible (c 350 AD) is silent.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://hotholyhumorous.com/2012/09/03/who-should-see-you-naked-more-on-nudity-vs-modesty/#comment-2331">Phil Yeager</a>.</p>
<p>There is also no indication in the Bible that anyone was baptized clothed.  The Bible admittedly is silent on what the appropriate apparel of baptism administration.  So this is why we go to extra Biblical sources, to find out a little more of what happened.  There is a great discussion in the church on the proper mode of baptism (sprinkling, pouring, or immersion.)  The text of the Bible doesn&#8217;t tell us this either.  Many in the early church thought it was very important though.  There is also a discussion on credo-baptism (believer&#8217;s baptism) versus pedo-baptism (infant baptism).  As the Bible doesn&#8217;t explicitly tell us this one either.  Both of these are worth a study, but irrelevant for this discussion other than an another example of baptismal practices in which the canonized Bible (c 350 AD) is silent.</p>
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		By: FatherOf4		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 01:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://hotholyhumorous.com/2012/09/03/who-should-see-you-naked-more-on-nudity-vs-modesty/#comment-2343&quot;&gt;mamarachael&lt;/a&gt;.

The Victorian era ~1850 - 1900 changed the meaning of word modesty (I Tim 2), so our understanding of the translated word is different than what is written in Koine Greek.&lt;br /&gt;So for your requested examples: Adam and Eve (Gen 2), King Saul (I Sam 19), King David? (II Sam 16), Bathsheba (II Sam 23), Isaiah (Is 20), Micah (Micah 1), Jesus (Mt 3, Jn 13, Crucifixion, Jn 20), Peter (Jn 21), Mark (Mk 14, Timothy (I Tim 4), Philemon (slaves were auctioned naked), the early church (as referenced above for both baptisms and baths - there was a Roman bath even in Nazareth).&lt;br /&gt;This does not include the nakedness of the Israelites (all 2+ mil, who did not have access to indoor plumbing for baths and toilets.)&lt;br /&gt;At no time is anyone condemned through out scripture for being naked.  There are times where other sins or issues would lead to a forced nakedness (and thus the shame) (Isaiah 20, Hosea 2, Amos 2).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://hotholyhumorous.com/2012/09/03/who-should-see-you-naked-more-on-nudity-vs-modesty/#comment-2343">mamarachael</a>.</p>
<p>The Victorian era ~1850 &#8211; 1900 changed the meaning of word modesty (I Tim 2), so our understanding of the translated word is different than what is written in Koine Greek.<br />So for your requested examples: Adam and Eve (Gen 2), King Saul (I Sam 19), King David? (II Sam 16), Bathsheba (II Sam 23), Isaiah (Is 20), Micah (Micah 1), Jesus (Mt 3, Jn 13, Crucifixion, Jn 20), Peter (Jn 21), Mark (Mk 14, Timothy (I Tim 4), Philemon (slaves were auctioned naked), the early church (as referenced above for both baptisms and baths &#8211; there was a Roman bath even in Nazareth).<br />This does not include the nakedness of the Israelites (all 2+ mil, who did not have access to indoor plumbing for baths and toilets.)<br />At no time is anyone condemned through out scripture for being naked.  There are times where other sins or issues would lead to a forced nakedness (and thus the shame) (Isaiah 20, Hosea 2, Amos 2).</p>
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		By: Cherishing My Days		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2012 02:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://hotholyhumorous.com/2012/09/03/who-should-see-you-naked-more-on-nudity-vs-modesty/#comment-2331&quot;&gt;Phil Yeager&lt;/a&gt;.

Someone&#039;s extra-Biblical teachings do not trump Biblical guidelines. I can say whatever I want to say and write it down for prosperity&#039;s sake, but if what I say is not supported by the Bible, then it&#039;s just my opinion/ preference/ tradition. There is no indication in the Word of God that anyone was baptized naked.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://hotholyhumorous.com/2012/09/03/who-should-see-you-naked-more-on-nudity-vs-modesty/#comment-2331">Phil Yeager</a>.</p>
<p>Someone&#8217;s extra-Biblical teachings do not trump Biblical guidelines. I can say whatever I want to say and write it down for prosperity&#8217;s sake, but if what I say is not supported by the Bible, then it&#8217;s just my opinion/ preference/ tradition. There is no indication in the Word of God that anyone was baptized naked.</p>
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