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		By: J		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2017 17:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://hotholyhumorous.com/2016/05/19/qa-with-j-isnt-the-wedding-for-grooms-too/#comment-62772&quot;&gt;Arya&lt;/a&gt;.

By the way, my wedding was a disappointment in some ways. I keep thinking I&#039;ll tell that story on my blog someday. But the point is that if you walk out the door with the right guy, the party doesn&#039;t really matter that much. It&#039;s one day, a few hours vs. the rest of your lives.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://hotholyhumorous.com/2016/05/19/qa-with-j-isnt-the-wedding-for-grooms-too/#comment-62772">Arya</a>.</p>
<p>By the way, my wedding was a disappointment in some ways. I keep thinking I&#8217;ll tell that story on my blog someday. But the point is that if you walk out the door with the right guy, the party doesn&#8217;t really matter that much. It&#8217;s one day, a few hours vs. the rest of your lives.</p>
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		By: Arya		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2017 14:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My fiancé and I have been engaged for 8 months and it will be another 7 months before we&#039;re married. We&#039;ve been in a long distance relationship (long story) for our engagement. We can&#039;t wait to get married and be together again. 

The wedding unfortunately has become a sore spot for both parties over time. In the beginning of planning we wanted to do it together. We quickly realized that our dream wedding ideas weren&#039;t the same at all (he wanted a big fancy wedding and I wanted something smaller and simple). We both wanted our way and for each other to back down and compromise. Due to a small budget me and my parents are providing, we&#039;re unable to give my fiancé what he wants. After some arguing, my dad stepped in and told him to back off and to just show up, say what he&#039;s supposed to say, and leave with me at the end, otherwise this isn&#039;t going to happen. Dad said he has no say in the planning because he&#039;s not paying for it and we&#039;re not interested in showing off for his friends. It&#039;s not about the flashy things. It&#039;s about two people becoming one under God. He needs to focus on our lives after the wedding and save up money for our home.

Now I don&#039;t talk about the wedding to my fiancé and I can tell he&#039;s hurt. But I can&#039;t make this wedding happen without my parents&#039; help so we need to do what needs to be done under their terms and respect their wishes. I&#039;m not going all Romeo and Juliet about this and losing my parents respect and relationship over basically a big party. I feel bad but this is how it is. We tried it one way and it didn&#039;t work, now we&#039;re doing something else. 

I understand that it&#039;s typically the &quot;bride&#039;s day&quot; and the groom just shows up. I think it depends on your relationship and how you communicate. For me, I prefer to handle it by taking my parents&#039; budget and thoughts into consideration, see what his parents and I can contribute, and plan from there. If I need help from him, I&#039;ll ask. But don&#039;t expect me to respond well to someone who wants only their way and gets in the middle, where I don&#039;t want them. I&#039;m not trying to be controlling or make him feel unloved or unwanted and his opinion doesn&#039;t matter. It&#039;s just that there are things we need to work on and the wedding made these things come up. We&#039;re doing premarital counseling and keeping the peace with my parents. Hopefully it&#039;ll turn out alright in the end. The distance makes it harder and I pray for us daily to not stop loving each other.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My fiancé and I have been engaged for 8 months and it will be another 7 months before we&#8217;re married. We&#8217;ve been in a long distance relationship (long story) for our engagement. We can&#8217;t wait to get married and be together again. </p>
<p>The wedding unfortunately has become a sore spot for both parties over time. In the beginning of planning we wanted to do it together. We quickly realized that our dream wedding ideas weren&#8217;t the same at all (he wanted a big fancy wedding and I wanted something smaller and simple). We both wanted our way and for each other to back down and compromise. Due to a small budget me and my parents are providing, we&#8217;re unable to give my fiancé what he wants. After some arguing, my dad stepped in and told him to back off and to just show up, say what he&#8217;s supposed to say, and leave with me at the end, otherwise this isn&#8217;t going to happen. Dad said he has no say in the planning because he&#8217;s not paying for it and we&#8217;re not interested in showing off for his friends. It&#8217;s not about the flashy things. It&#8217;s about two people becoming one under God. He needs to focus on our lives after the wedding and save up money for our home.</p>
<p>Now I don&#8217;t talk about the wedding to my fiancé and I can tell he&#8217;s hurt. But I can&#8217;t make this wedding happen without my parents&#8217; help so we need to do what needs to be done under their terms and respect their wishes. I&#8217;m not going all Romeo and Juliet about this and losing my parents respect and relationship over basically a big party. I feel bad but this is how it is. We tried it one way and it didn&#8217;t work, now we&#8217;re doing something else. </p>
<p>I understand that it&#8217;s typically the &#8220;bride&#8217;s day&#8221; and the groom just shows up. I think it depends on your relationship and how you communicate. For me, I prefer to handle it by taking my parents&#8217; budget and thoughts into consideration, see what his parents and I can contribute, and plan from there. If I need help from him, I&#8217;ll ask. But don&#8217;t expect me to respond well to someone who wants only their way and gets in the middle, where I don&#8217;t want them. I&#8217;m not trying to be controlling or make him feel unloved or unwanted and his opinion doesn&#8217;t matter. It&#8217;s just that there are things we need to work on and the wedding made these things come up. We&#8217;re doing premarital counseling and keeping the peace with my parents. Hopefully it&#8217;ll turn out alright in the end. The distance makes it harder and I pray for us daily to not stop loving each other.</p>
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		By: J		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2016 20:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://hotholyhumorous.com/2016/05/19/qa-with-j-isnt-the-wedding-for-grooms-too/#comment-53371&quot;&gt;Dex Tagger&lt;/a&gt;.

Sounds like you&#039;re doing a good job with this!

And from my experience, in 20 years you won&#039;t care what the colors were. If I had it to do over again, I&#039;d choose different colors, but it doesn&#039;t really matter in the end. :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://hotholyhumorous.com/2016/05/19/qa-with-j-isnt-the-wedding-for-grooms-too/#comment-53371">Dex Tagger</a>.</p>
<p>Sounds like you&#8217;re doing a good job with this!</p>
<p>And from my experience, in 20 years you won&#8217;t care what the colors were. If I had it to do over again, I&#8217;d choose different colors, but it doesn&#8217;t really matter in the end. 🙂</p>
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		By: Dex Tagger		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2016 19:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I know exactly how this question feels, as I&#039;ve been there all this while during my engagement. (Getting married in 2 months) 
I think it is an unfair sentiment, but I can understand why it is so. Whatever the cultural, historical, gender, or familiar background that motivates it, it still sucks, as a groom, to feel like an accessory to your bride on the wedding. 
I ended up having a conversation with my bride about that, and I realized that as much as I wanted it to be even 50-50, it would not be so. There was always going to be a bias, so we decided to make decisions together and split certain responsibilities. She took care of the details and designs and the flow of the events, while i took care of keeping track of our budgets and our things like the honeymoon and flights, etc. Pretty much, we split the responsibilities such that we had to communicate to take of things. So, even though everyone else expected this to be mostly about the bride, for both of us, we took it on together.
With that being said, as a guy, I have to be willing to let her have some things and she is willing to let me have some things. I understand that certain aspects of the wedding have some significance to her that I cannot wrap my mind around (We call it Estrogen logic), so I just back off from that and let her have her way. For example, she wants the colors to be scarlet and grey (her school colors), and I wanted navy blue and gold (my school colors). It turns out her schools biggest rivals wore navy blue and gold too, so she wasnt having that. Ultimately, I realized that at the end of the day, my wedding is not going to be defined by the colors. Instead it would be defined by how happy she is, and she our wedding colors are scarlet and grey. She was kind enough to let us have gold ties.
I guess what im saying is, i accept that it is important to both of us and we had to come to a point where we reflected the importance to each other and appreciated the other person&#039;s importance to this whole thing. However, I realized that there are some things that arent worth holding on to for equality. So, i hope that encourages you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know exactly how this question feels, as I&#8217;ve been there all this while during my engagement. (Getting married in 2 months)<br />
I think it is an unfair sentiment, but I can understand why it is so. Whatever the cultural, historical, gender, or familiar background that motivates it, it still sucks, as a groom, to feel like an accessory to your bride on the wedding.<br />
I ended up having a conversation with my bride about that, and I realized that as much as I wanted it to be even 50-50, it would not be so. There was always going to be a bias, so we decided to make decisions together and split certain responsibilities. She took care of the details and designs and the flow of the events, while i took care of keeping track of our budgets and our things like the honeymoon and flights, etc. Pretty much, we split the responsibilities such that we had to communicate to take of things. So, even though everyone else expected this to be mostly about the bride, for both of us, we took it on together.<br />
With that being said, as a guy, I have to be willing to let her have some things and she is willing to let me have some things. I understand that certain aspects of the wedding have some significance to her that I cannot wrap my mind around (We call it Estrogen logic), so I just back off from that and let her have her way. For example, she wants the colors to be scarlet and grey (her school colors), and I wanted navy blue and gold (my school colors). It turns out her schools biggest rivals wore navy blue and gold too, so she wasnt having that. Ultimately, I realized that at the end of the day, my wedding is not going to be defined by the colors. Instead it would be defined by how happy she is, and she our wedding colors are scarlet and grey. She was kind enough to let us have gold ties.<br />
I guess what im saying is, i accept that it is important to both of us and we had to come to a point where we reflected the importance to each other and appreciated the other person&#8217;s importance to this whole thing. However, I realized that there are some things that arent worth holding on to for equality. So, i hope that encourages you.</p>
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		By: nylse		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2016 20:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I had no such thoughts - but I as the soon to be bride, when my now husband wanted to be part of the planning and was actively involved, I was pleasantly surprised and quite happy about it. Since we&#039;d never done this before, we had no clue how to plan a wedding! :)  It took a load off and we worked quite well together. It was then I knew I had a keeper.  (That was 27 years ago).

As someone says - talk to her; you might be pleasantly surprised.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had no such thoughts &#8211; but I as the soon to be bride, when my now husband wanted to be part of the planning and was actively involved, I was pleasantly surprised and quite happy about it. Since we&#8217;d never done this before, we had no clue how to plan a wedding! 🙂  It took a load off and we worked quite well together. It was then I knew I had a keeper.  (That was 27 years ago).</p>
<p>As someone says &#8211; talk to her; you might be pleasantly surprised.</p>
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		By: IntimacySeeker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2016 13:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://hotholyhumorous.com/2016/05/19/qa-with-j-isnt-the-wedding-for-grooms-too/#comment-53068&quot;&gt;E Fresse&lt;/a&gt;.

I would like to see less of a bride&#039;s father &quot;giving her away&quot; as if she is a piece of property. Makes more sense for the bride and groom to process together as two consenting adults who have wisely chosen to enter into marriage and build a life together.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://hotholyhumorous.com/2016/05/19/qa-with-j-isnt-the-wedding-for-grooms-too/#comment-53068">E Fresse</a>.</p>
<p>I would like to see less of a bride&#8217;s father &#8220;giving her away&#8221; as if she is a piece of property. Makes more sense for the bride and groom to process together as two consenting adults who have wisely chosen to enter into marriage and build a life together.</p>
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		By: J		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2016 14:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://hotholyhumorous.com/2016/05/19/qa-with-j-isnt-the-wedding-for-grooms-too/#comment-53059&quot;&gt;Eric Wiggin&lt;/a&gt;.

Interesting. I had a very simple wedding in many ways, and if I had it to do over again, I&#039;d do some things even simpler and others bigger. I like the idea of having the community there to affirm their support and celebrate with the marrying couple.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://hotholyhumorous.com/2016/05/19/qa-with-j-isnt-the-wedding-for-grooms-too/#comment-53059">Eric Wiggin</a>.</p>
<p>Interesting. I had a very simple wedding in many ways, and if I had it to do over again, I&#8217;d do some things even simpler and others bigger. I like the idea of having the community there to affirm their support and celebrate with the marrying couple.</p>
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		By: E Fresse		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2016 01:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We had a fairly traditional style wedding. But after all the attendants walked down, we had a twist.  My husband walked down the aisle with his parents. Then I walked down wth mine. He felt that we should be more equal in the way we were presented, perhaps feelings similar to yours?  I loved it. You found do separate songs or walk to the same one. I honestly don&#039;t remember which we did!  Just an idea!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We had a fairly traditional style wedding. But after all the attendants walked down, we had a twist.  My husband walked down the aisle with his parents. Then I walked down wth mine. He felt that we should be more equal in the way we were presented, perhaps feelings similar to yours?  I loved it. You found do separate songs or walk to the same one. I honestly don&#8217;t remember which we did!  Just an idea!</p>
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		By: Eric Wiggin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 May 2016 14:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://hotholyhumorous.com/2016/05/19/qa-with-j-isnt-the-wedding-for-grooms-too/#comment-53059&quot;&gt;Eric Wiggin&lt;/a&gt;.

Ps. To my last comment: When I wrote, &quot;None of your business,&quot; I meant that the details were private. But I will add that we both were virgins, and we both enjoyed ourselves immensely that evening, with no shame, embarrassment and very little awkwardness. After a time of &quot;Getting to Know You,&quot; we dressed and went to a restaurant. By dark were were back in bed, and well . . . nuff sed!]]></description>
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<p>Ps. To my last comment: When I wrote, &#8220;None of your business,&#8221; I meant that the details were private. But I will add that we both were virgins, and we both enjoyed ourselves immensely that evening, with no shame, embarrassment and very little awkwardness. After a time of &#8220;Getting to Know You,&#8221; we dressed and went to a restaurant. By dark were were back in bed, and well . . . nuff sed!</p>
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		By: Eric Wiggin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 May 2016 14:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://hotholyhumorous.com/2016/05/19/qa-with-j-isnt-the-wedding-for-grooms-too/#comment-53038&quot;&gt;IntimacySeeker&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m replying to both Intimacy Seeker &#038; A.Nony:

First, I agree with both. Great thoughts. Weddings should be simple and low-stress. There is a simple compromise between the catered reception dinner and cake &#038; ice cream only: Sandwiches. In our case, they were furnished by the ladies of the church. Our wedding was scheduled for one o&#039;clock on a Saturday; we had the reception downstairs in the church&#039;s fellowship hall, and shortly after the wedding cake was served, I remember saying to my bride, &quot;Let&#039;s get out of here.&quot; (In case you&#039;re wondering about my memory after 53 years this June 1st, I did ask my bride just this morning, and she affirms this.

We were at the honeymoon cottage shortly after five o&#039;clock, not too badly stressed out, since we hadn&#039;t celebrated with the wedding party the night before (I think this is something that&#039;s developed in recent years). What happened next--well, none of your business!!

My parents were married in May 1938, one year before I was born (May 10, 1939), at my mom&#039;s home. Small wedding--Mother has several times run over the details with me (she went to be with Jesus in April 2015). The guests were my father&#039;s brother and sister and their spouses, both set of my grandparents, the pastor and my great-grandmother. My mom&#039;s sister, 15 at the time, was the maid of honor. No wrangling over guest lists!

What about those big old church weddings some of you have seen in magazine photos (Good Old Days or Reminiscence)? Mother has told me that such weddings were &quot;very unusual&quot;; and before World War II, only &quot;the rich&quot; had them. She grew up in a middle-class home, and nearly everyone she knew married at home, and the preacher came to the house to perform the ceremony. Church weddings were a minority until about 1950, apparently. Most brides did wear white, however, and most (after about 1890) did pose with the groom for a photo, even if the wedding itself was in the home parlor.

Besides the Wedding at Cana (John 2--big party, but at home), the best-known marriage in the Bible is that of Isaac and Rebekah, and it&#039;s summed up tersely in Genesis 24:67: &quot;Isaac brought [Rebekah] into the tent of his (deceased) mother Sarah, and she became his wife, and he loved her.&quot; Unfortunately, one Bible version has inserted the words &quot;and he married Rebekah,&quot; apparently to support the idea of a wedding. But these words are not in the original Hebrew text, and they have no justification whatsoever. It was a simple arrangement, in which Rebekah said &quot;I will go,&quot; v. 58. A verbal covenant and introductions were made, and the couple spent the night fulfilling the second part of the covenant &quot;naked and not ashamed.&quot; It was that simple. Everything else is only tradition; and tradition is entirely optional.

So . . . keep it simple, get some rest, and enjoy the honeymoon!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://hotholyhumorous.com/2016/05/19/qa-with-j-isnt-the-wedding-for-grooms-too/#comment-53038">IntimacySeeker</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m replying to both Intimacy Seeker &amp; A.Nony:</p>
<p>First, I agree with both. Great thoughts. Weddings should be simple and low-stress. There is a simple compromise between the catered reception dinner and cake &amp; ice cream only: Sandwiches. In our case, they were furnished by the ladies of the church. Our wedding was scheduled for one o&#8217;clock on a Saturday; we had the reception downstairs in the church&#8217;s fellowship hall, and shortly after the wedding cake was served, I remember saying to my bride, &#8220;Let&#8217;s get out of here.&#8221; (In case you&#8217;re wondering about my memory after 53 years this June 1st, I did ask my bride just this morning, and she affirms this.</p>
<p>We were at the honeymoon cottage shortly after five o&#8217;clock, not too badly stressed out, since we hadn&#8217;t celebrated with the wedding party the night before (I think this is something that&#8217;s developed in recent years). What happened next&#8211;well, none of your business!!</p>
<p>My parents were married in May 1938, one year before I was born (May 10, 1939), at my mom&#8217;s home. Small wedding&#8211;Mother has several times run over the details with me (she went to be with Jesus in April 2015). The guests were my father&#8217;s brother and sister and their spouses, both set of my grandparents, the pastor and my great-grandmother. My mom&#8217;s sister, 15 at the time, was the maid of honor. No wrangling over guest lists!</p>
<p>What about those big old church weddings some of you have seen in magazine photos (Good Old Days or Reminiscence)? Mother has told me that such weddings were &#8220;very unusual&#8221;; and before World War II, only &#8220;the rich&#8221; had them. She grew up in a middle-class home, and nearly everyone she knew married at home, and the preacher came to the house to perform the ceremony. Church weddings were a minority until about 1950, apparently. Most brides did wear white, however, and most (after about 1890) did pose with the groom for a photo, even if the wedding itself was in the home parlor.</p>
<p>Besides the Wedding at Cana (John 2&#8211;big party, but at home), the best-known marriage in the Bible is that of Isaac and Rebekah, and it&#8217;s summed up tersely in Genesis 24:67: &#8220;Isaac brought [Rebekah] into the tent of his (deceased) mother Sarah, and she became his wife, and he loved her.&#8221; Unfortunately, one Bible version has inserted the words &#8220;and he married Rebekah,&#8221; apparently to support the idea of a wedding. But these words are not in the original Hebrew text, and they have no justification whatsoever. It was a simple arrangement, in which Rebekah said &#8220;I will go,&#8221; v. 58. A verbal covenant and introductions were made, and the couple spent the night fulfilling the second part of the covenant &#8220;naked and not ashamed.&#8221; It was that simple. Everything else is only tradition; and tradition is entirely optional.</p>
<p>So . . . keep it simple, get some rest, and enjoy the honeymoon!</p>
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